The results of the therapist surveys and interviews are reported in the context of the relevant findings of the Piki evaluation by Dowell, Stubbe (7), which are reported at the start of each section.
In terms of demographic characteristics, the therapists surveyed and interviewed came from a range of professional backgrounds in the mental health field. They were predominantly female and of European ethnicity, with a wide range of ages (Table 1). The lack of cultural diversity in survey and interview respondents is consistent with the data on all Piki therapists: as at November-December 2020, 30/39 identified as female and 9/39 identified as male. The number of Māori in the Piki therapist workforce remained low (5 out of 39 therapists in early 2021), while 28/39 identified as European, 3/39 as Pacific and 3/39 as other or unknown ethnicities. The four stepped care psychologists (2 male and 2 female) were all from European/NZE backgrounds (7). Data as to the gender identity and sexual orientation of the therapists was not collected.
Table 1
demographic characteristics of data sources
Demographic characteristics of respondents
|
Interviewees/focus group attendees
N = 12
Nov-Dec 2020
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Survey 1 – PHO
N = 27
mid 2019
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Survey 2 – Evaluation team (ET)
N = 37
Jan 2020
|
Gender
Female
Male
|
10
3
|
19
8
|
10
27
|
Profession
AOD Counsellor
Counsellor
Nurse/Mental health nurse
Clinical Psychologist
Occupational Therapist
Social Worker
Educational psychologist
Therapist
Mental Health practitioner
|
0
1
4
2
0
4
1
1
0
|
2
6
5
7
1
6
0
0
0
|
0
9
6
8
0
8
0
0
6
|
Ethnicity
NZ Māori
Not answered
European (including NZE)
Asian
Other
Pacific
|
0
0
10
1
1
1
|
1
1
25
0
0
0
|
3
0
32
0
0
2
|
Age
20–29
30–39
40–49
50+
|
7
4
2
4
|
Not collected
|
Not collected
|
Organisation Type
Primary Health Organisation
Māori Health Provider
University
Stepped Care provider
Phone counselling service
Wellbeing app service
Not stated
Pacific Health provider
|
5
0
3
2
1
1
0
1
|
21
0
4
2
0
0
0
0
|
28
2
3
3
0
0
1
0
|
Each theme below section below is contextualised with findings from the Piki Evaluation report (7). NZE in the identifiers means New Zealand European. For focus group quotes, only the organisation of the participant is noted.
Perspectives on therapy delivery and modality
While there was certainly a strong core of CBT-informed provision within Piki therapy services, the Piki evaluation found considerable variation between services and therapists in the extent to which CBT-informed therapies were delivered. While Piki was intended as a service for mild to moderate severity, in practice the acuity was often moderate to severe, with most therapists surveyed in Jan 2020 (88%) reporting seeing at least some clients who were experiencing more than mild/moderate distress. Survey data from therapy clients suggested much of the therapy went well and was appreciated (Dowell et al, 2021).
Therapists expressed strong views on therapy modality and duration. This section first describes what therapy modalities therapists reported using, then goes on to describe their views on therapy modalities for working with young people.
Survey two found that the majority (67%) of Piki therapists reported using specific CBT strategies (i.e., setting agendas, using behavioural experiments, homework-setting) with most or all clients. Some (22%) reported using specific CBT strategies with some or about half of their clients. A few reported not using CBT at all (11%).
There was some therapist concern that the therapy modality and associated CBT training was imposed by the government funder (New Zealand Ministry of Health), which (not unreasonably) specified CBT as the therapeutic modality, based on the success of the IAPT programme in the UK (4) :
‘I think the development of it was definitely driven by the people who were providing the money and not so much by the people who were going to be delivering the therapy and the first thing that comes to mind is the requirement to have CBT as CBT training,…. I understand that they want something that works but making sure that it’s more clinician driven than money driven’ (SPO2_focus group – University provider )
Some therapists expressed preference for using existing therapy modalities, with one asserting that therapists do their best work with modalities they are familiar with:
‘allow people to maybe specify their preferred mode of therapy rather than saying you've got to use CBT’ (SPO2_focus group – Stepped Care Provider)
‘..therapist connection with client is the best predictor about positive client outcome and so in that case we’re better off as clinicians to use the frameworks that we’re most comfortable with cos we’ll get the best results within that framework, as long as we keep an eye on making a meaningful connection with that client. And so in that respect it might be that CBT only is kind of limiting some therapists to actually, to not do their best work so to speak’ (SPO2_focus group – Stepped Care Provider)
One therapist also expressed concern about the effect of the short timeframe for setting up the Piki pilot, which may have impacted on treatment model fidelity:
‘In my opinion it would be useful to have had more time to set up the pilot with clear guidelines including treatment model fidelity’ (Survey 2–23, female, NZE, counsellor, PHO)
In some services there was a mismatch noted between the style of therapy advocated by Piki (CBT-informed, which usually involves four or more regular sessions) and the number of sessions made available to clients. Several therapists expressed concern that, in their service, therapy delivery (modality and duration) was numbers-driven:
‘there was a lot of emphasis on numbers and throughput rather than adhering to a CBT, ACT, motivational interviewing model’ (Survey 2–23, female, NZE, counsellor, PHO)
‘I think with [university] they were trying to to almost cap sessions really early to sort of one and two sessions or, and I was very clear that the RFP said sort of brief CBT, which I would think of as ten, twelve sessions as opposed to one or two. So that, I think where people have only had one or two sessions they're not gonna get a lot of benefit’ (Interview 108, female, NZE, female, social worker, PHO)
‘Overall, I would like to [see] changes to Piki that enable us as therapists to support clients in achieving positive and meaningful outcomes, rather than the current Piki model which predominantly emphasises getting numbers through the door’ (Survey 2–12, male, NZE, psychologist, University)
Therapist survey results indicated that the majority felt they were able to see Piki clients for as many sessions as they needed, although 27% reported this as not being the case. Reasons given by therapists for not being able to provide sufficient sessions included system pressure to finish after a few sessions, and high demand for services and resultant delays. Some services, however, did allow unlimited numbers of sessions (7).
Another perceived issue was the variability among services and lack of clarity about the stepped care model whereby clients can ideally access as many or as few sessions as required, as one therapist commented:
‘I guess I’d just like to see it sort of somehow more flexible and less flexible at the same time… I think that the boundaries are still a bit blurry and I think young people do like having kind of clear boundaries as much as therapists do.’ (Interview 03, female, NZE, mental health nurse, PHO)
Several therapists expressed a strong desire to see clients in line with the usual CBT approach with a series of regular sessions:
‘hold up the principles of the [CBT] training – e.g. plan treatment, regular sessions and review which often becomes overwhelmed by demand’ (Survey 2–2, female, NZE, psychologist, Stepped Care Provider)
‘Space in calendars to do proper CBT (e.g., weekly sessions, time for treatment planning, etc.). A lot of clients complain that they cannot have weekly sessions (or even at times fortnightly sessions)’ (Survey 2–12, male, NZE, psychologist, University)
‘It needs to be re/structured in a way so that clients are able to be seen weekly/fortnightly (at least initially). (Survey 2–15, female, NZE, psychologist, PHO)
Several therapists expressed concern that, in their service, there was a tension between service pressures for a low number of sessions per client and the ability to deliver CBT-informed therapies to the extent they felt their clients needed:
‘..apparent departure from the original therapy model agreed for Piki (e.g. clients being able to access weekly sessions with therapists that follow a CBT model - in particular that is based on an agreed treatment plan/goals and builds on this each week to increase skills and insight/understanding in a structured way)’ (Survey 2–21, female, NZE, psychologist, PHO)
‘Encouraged to see clients for 1–4 sessions maximum. Told clients often only need one. Told average from British Pilot [IAPT] was three sessions or so. No taking into account there may have been a lot of drop outs or other reasons..’ (Survey 2–23, female, NZE, counsellor, PHO)
‘the training that we get doesn’t match the service that we deliver at all and I'm actually not really using much CBT because of that’ (Interview 03-female, NZE, nurse, PHO)
‘I think there's still kind of too much tension between the aspirations of the model and what we are equipped to provide’ (Interview 03-female, NZE, nurse, PHO)
Some therapists reported that their clients got better outcomes through having a series of CBT sessions, with some actively resisting service pressures in order to provide regular sessions of CBT over a period of time in order to meet their clients’ needs:
‘Since the launch of Piki, my clients who have achieved the best outcomes are the ones who I have worked with by going against the service model (i.e., booked in weekly for 12–20 sessions), whereas making any progress is difficult for clients who can only be seen once a month’ (Survey 2–12, male, European, psychologist, University)
‘Clients were accepted as referrals when they had been in secondary services for extended periods and had diagnoses of things such as borderline … I note there was discouragement of using CBT and told it was o.k. to do other things that CBT is a guideline only. I know one new therapist who reported that she was "Trying to get out of doing the CBT training"’ (Survey 2–23, female, NZE, counsellor, PHO)
‘I see clients weekly or fortnightly, but this is only because I've blocked my diary off meaning no one else can book appointments in for me - this is not the norm. I also re-book clients myself directly at the end of each session, but I am aware I am unusual in this respect (I don't believe this is done by the rest of the team)’ (Survey 2–15, female, NZE, psychologist, PHO)
‘Encouraged to do very brief interventions and as a therapist had to push back for ethical, and good practice standards.’ (Survey 2–23, female, NZE, counsellor, PHO)
Therapists reported benefits for clients of providing longer duration CBT (6–12 + sessions).
I think when the young people engage for six to twelve sessions, they make quite good gains and that they can, they learn some things about themselves, about how they're thinking, how their thinking impacts how they feel, how that might influence their decision making, their problem solving and their behaviour’ (Interview 108, female, NZE, social worker, PHO)
They also liked that CBT is skill-based, has shared formulations and found the worksheets helpful:
‘I found that those worksheets and things from the CBT, that that age group just love them, it’s like give me something to take away, give me something so I can see it and understand it and so I've just found them probably some of the most useful tools’. (SP02 Focus group –PHO)
‘Yeah, clients have really enjoyed sort of formulating, seeing their formulation of their thoughts and behaviour on things like whiteboards and stuff. So I have really liked that component of it all’ (SP02 Focus group – University)
‘I think the CBT focus is really important in terms of trying to be efficient with time and give people skills to take away and use’ (Interview 109, female, NZE, Psychologist, Stepped Care Provider)
Finally, there was a reminder from a therapist that the therapy relationship is at the heart of good CBT as with other therapy modalities:
‘CBT is popularised and incredibly useful however do that without empathy, compassion and client front and centre it becomes just empty words, choose the practitioners well this work is not possible or probable for all.’ (Survey 2–28, male, Pacific, counsellor, PHO)
In summary, some therapists felt that CBT was imposed on them and preferred to work with more familiar therapy modalities; the majority of therapists used CBT regularly with their clients. Many liked CBT for its client-centred approach and reported using CBT-informed approaches with many of their clients to good effect.
Responding to Diversity
In Survey one, most therapists reported considering the inclusion of cultural practices, individual and spiritual preferences, along with whānau (family) involvement, though to varying degrees. Survey two found there was some use of Kaupapa Māori therapy models by therapists (Kaupapa Māori actively legitimises and validates Māori language, Maori knowledge and Māori customs).
Need for cultural diversity
Therapists expressed the need for more culturally diverse therapists to be employed, with particular reference to the need for Māori therapists.
‘I think we need to employ more Māori and Pasifika people. We will need to also focus on needs of Asians.’ (Survey 1, male, NZE, social worker, PHO)
‘I would say that our Māori clients definitely gravitate towards Māori counsellors.’ (Interview 106 – female, NZE, phone counsellor, Phone counselling service)
‘I definitely have people see me and kind of go, ‘Do you have any Māori colleagues?’. (Interview 03, female, NZE, mental health nurse, PHO)
Concerns about the fit of CBT for diverse groups
It was noted by some therapists that the model of ‘talking therapy’ and the CBT model favoured Pākehā, coming, as it does, from a Western tradition:
‘therapy by its nature is quite western.’ (Interview 108, female, NZE, social worker, PHO)
‘I think it’s great if you’re white Europeans. I don’t think it’s great for Māori and Pacific and other, so much.’ (Interview 87, female, NZE, team leader, PHO)
‘a lot of it is to do with like talking therapies but not everyone wants to talk and that is like you see with the Pacific boys they don’t always want to talk.’ (Interview 43, female, Pacific, youth health nurse, Pacific Health Provider)
‘I felt like the structure just wasn’t flowing as well with the Pasifika and Māori clients… that model just didn’t fit with some of my clients coming through within Piki…I’d pull certain parts of CBT, but I couldn’t follow the structured model of the CBT with some of the clients, it just didn’t match.’ (Interview 73, female, NZE, counsellor, PHO)
The CBT model was also mentioned by one therapist as perhaps less suitable for those who may have lower levels of education, difficult life situations or simply not fitting for that client:
‘[ for] my ones that weren’t at University – were working, things like that – I found it was a bit harder for them to mould’… ‘those that were I guess had a lot of high needs in the context of life, ones that in general actually just needed to come in and just go ‘wah’, this is happening and life’s really, really… crap right now and has some valid reasons for it… I had kids like they had partners, relationship break ups, things like that…it was just like actually we need to deal with this crisis right now because this is impacting on everything else…like I'd pull certain parts of CBT but I couldn't follow the structured model of the CBT with some of the clients.’ (Interview 73, female, NZE, counsellor, PHO)
Need for cultural training
The importance of cultural competence and training was emphasised by some therapists, with a suggestion that this should be compulsory:
‘Training in Pacific peoples’ ways of thinking and approaching therapy, Māori tikanga [customs and values] and protocols incorporated into service and specific models of therapy taught and practised with supervision.’ (Survey 1, female, NZE, counsellor, University)
‘Some rangatahi [young people] may be more connected to their whakapapa [family tree] than others and we find usually that whanau [family] that come through for Social Services, the ultimate thing is connection to their whakapapa, wanting to know who they are and that’s the first thing that we have to do before we can do any other mahi [work] with them. But in saying that you’d have to have the clinicians able to work in that space.’ (SP-PK116 – female, 53, Māori, manager, Māori provider)
‘The cultural trainings on offer are fantastic, however they should be made compulsory to ensure all staff are familiar with multicultural services.’ (Survey 1, male, European, Psychologist, PHO)
One therapist (in her late 50s) noted that their undergraduate training did not generally prepare them well for working with Māori, although another (early 30s) reported the opposite (which could reflect improvements to cultural content of university courses over time):
‘in our Universities through lots of our training, there isn’t too many Māori or Pasifika models taught as therapeutic models and we, certainly we incorporate elements of language and other cultural ideas from other cultures but I’m not sure that they’re as inclusive as they could be.’ (Interview 108, female, NZE, social worker, PHO)
‘with my undergrad being social work, Te Whare Tapa Whā [Māori health model] and Fonofale [Pacific health model]is kind of embedded within all of our practice, within all of our, everything we do is every year, every paper you’ve got to incorporate what you study, within that.’ (Interview 73, female, NZE, social worker, PHO)
Need for cultural supervision
Several therapists emphasised the need for more easily accessible cultural supervision:
‘More established pathways/relationships to seek cultural supervision and input.’ (Survey 1, female, NZE, psychologist, PHO)
‘Access to cultural advice/supervisory services for Piki clinicians on a regular/as
needed basis.’ (Survey 1, female, NZE, psychologist, Stepped Care Provider)
‘Access to cultural supervision which is formal and provided by the employer.’ (Survey 1, female, NZE, counsellor, PHO)
[We need] ‘cultural advisors that spend time across the teams, so they are visible, accessible, and modelling behaviour.’ (Survey 1, female, European, social worker, PHO)
Inclusion of Māori models
Some therapists reflected on the need for inclusion of Māori models in their practice alongside the CBT model, with Māori clients:
like [for] a lot of young people, I often explain the five part model [CBT model] to them on the whiteboard and they often, they go, “Oh right, that's what I do,” and the lights sort of go on and I think there's definitely some of that's very useful but I also think that other models, whether it’s like a Māori model like Te Whare Tapa Whā or maybe, or Te Wheke.. some other models could be equally useful’ (Interview female, 108, NZE, social worker, PHO)
Responsiveness to diversity in service delivery
Some therapists were keenly aware of the need to improve the way they work with Māori but felt constrained by existing systems:
‘I own that that I probably need to learn more … we’re not really very well set up for, even physically set up, I mean it’s a tiny cupboard of a room I’m in, set up for whānau meetings or … going out into the community to meet with people which might be more appropriate - so it does feel quite constrained … We might have to be a bit more flexible but just the mechanics behind … anything that I might want to do to mix up how I work with Māori clients – I have to work that out.’ (Interview 109 – female, NZE, Psychologist, Stepped Care Provider)
The fit of the service for the higher needs of some Māori was also questioned by one therapist who worked for the service that more complex clients could be ‘stepped up’ to:
‘I think some of the challenges I can see … we come up with this brevity, you’re looking at intergenerational trauma and really, really complex family histories and in the back of my mind I’m thinking – I’ve got twelve sessions and that even opening that box may not be the most appropriate thing.’ (Interview 109 – female, NZE, Psychologist, Stepped Care Provider)
Several suggestions were made by therapists about ways to improve or change service delivery to meet the needs of diverse groups including Māori and Rainbow communities:
‘Inclusion of family in therapy if possible.’ (Survey 1, female, European, counsellor, University)
‘Creating new ways of delivering services (groups, peer support, etc.)’ (Survey 1, female, European, counsellor, University)
‘Home visits for some.’ (Survey 1, male, European, counsellor, PHO)
‘More outreach to populations who have had difficulty accessing mental health support. Currently, I believe Piki mainly increases access to counselling for those who already had little difficulty accessing counselling (e.g., white cisgender straight Pākehā [Europeans] who are predominantly middle class).’ (Survey 2–12, male, European, psychologist, University)
‘services are kind of still siloed with a kind of white mainstream culture, like our service was doing some outreach at a couple of maraes [Māori meeting houses] based in the region. … but I don’t think it’s really targeted Māori and Pasifika like maybe it was hoping to.’ (Interview 108, female, NZE, social worker, PHO)
It was also noted that encouraging Māori to access mental health programmes is a challenge that even Māori organisations struggle with:
‘it’s a bit of a mission … the Māori organisations supporting whānau – they’re still struggling to get clients to come in to see me under the Piki programme.’ (Interview 89 –male, Other ethnicity, Occupational therapist, PHO)
In sum, the main cultural themes expressed by therapists were that they wanted to see a more diverse workforce to meet client needs, particularly Māori, they wanted to increase their cultural competence through training and they wanted more easily available cultural supervision. Some had concerns about the origins of CBT in Western traditions and thought that it may be less suitable for people from other cultures.
Rainbow responsiveness
Apart from some imagery on the Piki website (www.piki.org.nz), there was no specific marketing targeted towards young Rainbow (LGBTQIA+) people accessing Piki, despite this being one of the target groups. Rainbow responsiveness was not a topic that was explored as a particular focus in the interviews, but there were nonetheless some comments in this area. Some therapists who were interviewed identified that they had ‘a few’ Rainbow young people as clients. Interviewees from University-based health providers noted that they provided more readily accessible mental health support that was well-utilised by Rainbow students, compared to interviewees from community services who reported only seeing a few Rainbow clients.
‘I saw a large number of that sort of population within a University environment and I think Universities are probably quite good at including that population, in a community setting not so much.’ (Interview 108, female, NZE, social worker, PHO)
‘I think working within the University environment, that access is already pretty well served I think compared to the general population but I think Piki’s another avenue I think particularly for the Rainbow community.’ (Interview 02, female, NZE, AOD counsellor, PHO)
One therapist commented on the importance of training in working with Rainbow young people.
‘I have a client at the moment who’s transgender, I’ve had another young person who was wanting to transition. I think there is definitely being welcoming and accepting … I almost wonder if we need specific, different training.’ (Interview 108, female, NZE, social worker, PHO)
Another therapist noted the high quality of the in-service training received.
‘There’ve been other trainings around working with Rainbow through [organisation], they’ve all been really high quality, so I think the training’s been good’. (Interview 109, female, NZE, psychologist, Stepped Care Provider)
In sum, Rainbow responsiveness was mentioned, but not strongly emphasised by therapists. There was some mention made of the Rainbow community in the youth population and the importance of training therapists to work competently with Rainbow young people.