Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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I feel like, um, Black people as a whole are exhausted. Um, and sometime when information is, um, put out, like we've been through so much that people don't even make the effort like to, um, try to get the information because they feel like ain't nothing [going to] happen or ain't nothing going to change.
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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In the, uh, African American community, um, those individuals were forgotten, it appears. And, and a lot of those individuals don't know, uh, that there are resources out there.
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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Interviewer: There are some legitimate claims that Black dominated communities do not receive equitable overdose education. Subject: Absolutely. Interviewer: And naloxone distribution as a White... Subject: As a matter of fact in those communities what not, what, what education is there? Like as a, like that's just a research thing. If you just look. Interviewer: Mm-hmm. <affirmative>. Subject: It isn't there. There's, I mean, in my community it's a basically an everything desert.
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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I know that it's a myth. Everybody says, oh, ‘only white people do meth, only white people do this.’
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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Well, this is the first time I ever see this in the Black community. What you guys are doing now, um, I go a lot to the [community organization] and also to [community organization]. Those are two things that are next to me. But, um, nobody never introduces or even had prevention, um, classes on drug use. Uh, you know, yes, sometimes I have to teach it and, and to the staff and train them on substance abuse, but we need to know this even deeper. Just don't hand us a, a package and tell us have that in your car for an incident. What I'm [going to] do if I have no clue how to use it, how to educate people?
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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Interviewer: Okay. Okay. Can you think of some structural barriers, community conditions, policies, practices, misinformation, or stigmatizing beliefs that disproportionately prevent expedient and effective opioid response in the Black community? Subject: Yeah, because they say that in our Black community, Black people don't do pills. We smoke and drink. You understand?
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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Interviewer: Okay. There are some legitimate claims that Black dominated communities do not receive equitable overdose education and naloxone distribution compared to white dominant communities. Do you agree or disagree with that? Subject: I agree. Interviewer: Okay. And why, why do you feel that way? Subject: Again, because…for one, I feel they don't care. For two… they feel that we don't have a opiate problem in the Black community. It is more of another race problem. But again, that's why I say yes, <laugh>.
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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I think they didn't, they just don't care until something like drastic in the news comes. They don't, you know, they're not caring, like actually caring to stop a person, like coming off of the street. “What you got?” you know, “where you get it from?” you know, stuff like that. But if you're in a white neighborhood and you see some, a Black person coming, they're [going to] stop [them] and you know, check [them] and because they don't want you in their neighborhood buying drugs. But it's okay to buy drugs in a Black community. You know?
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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The biggest thing is people just don't know and they just so content and cool with being, with not knowing, you know what I mean? It's like Yeah. [Because] over so many years, like you said, [they’ve] been hearing about all this stuff, but I've seen no significant change. They, like, back in the eighties and nineties they [were] talking about quality-of-life plan and how [inaudible] well we supposed to change and do that. They like…it's 30 years later. I still ain't really seen….But y'all got all this money and y'all did all this stuff and all these rents…But it's really no true change.
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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The Black people don't understand how important it is to use…to know if you're [going to] use safely, check your stuff. Know who you’re getting it from, you know? Um, or just, you might just don't even know how to [administer] it. Then you might need somebody to teach you how to [administer] it.
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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Because our people are snapping out and we got more people that have served the war, more older people on dope than you had ever known. You know? And it's like, because also older people [were] brought up, and me too, would say [what] goes on the house, stays in the house. It wasn't no therapy, it wasn't none of that. We wasn't introduced that you could go take your…we always thought White psychiatrist was for White people. You know? It wasn't for the Black family. We didn't talk about these things, you know?
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Practical Barriers: Naloxone
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Interviewer: Do you think that they, in the White community, they receive more education? Subject: I think so. I think they receive more education. They know what treatment sites they can go to. It just our community don't know. They just think there's nothing out there for you.
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Practical Barriers: First Responders
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Neighborhoods, um, they don't like coming to quote unquote ghettos. You know? They'd rather pull up and, you know, it's proportionally more, even though it's getting better, it's proportionally more Black people that are living [in] impoverished neighborhoods. So, um, yeah. So less response, slower response rates into those areas specifically. Whereas I say on the other end, it's a Carmel overdose and they're there in two seconds.
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Practical Barriers: First Responders
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In any area where they live, Blacks and Brown, I don't feel that first responders ever put a priority in our areas whatsoever. Um, sometimes I've called the police and it takes [them] forever to get to my house. And I'm like, you know, I just can't believe that. If I was in Carmel, if I was in Fishers, if I was in other area, they would come right away.
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Practical Barriers: First Responders
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Interviewer: Okay. So, but do you fear that if you had naloxone and you got pulled over for a ticket and the police saw the naloxone, do you think that they would harass you? Subject: Absolutely...I, I think that their history with working with our community is, uh, guilt first. Um, judge prosecutor executioner first, and then we'll find out that it's naloxone later.
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Practical Barriers: First Responders
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A lot of times they don't, you know, because, uh, of who we are, you know, we have always been second fiddle. You know? We're not, uh, important, uh, to some of the, uh, emergency personnel, you know, that come, uh, to the scene of a crime or whatever. Uh, they're more apt to respond to their demographic, to people that look just like them.
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Mental Barriers: Stigma
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It's a mental health issue in the Caucasian community. It's a criminal issue in the African American community.
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Mental Barriers: Stigma
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Subject: Um, a White addicts get a little bit more sympathy than our Black, than their Black counterparts, so. Okay. Um, yeah. Interviewer: Okay. When you say, when you say they get more, more sympathy, you think people understand the disease in reference to them? Subject: It's more of a, “they are having a mental illness” for a White counterpart and it is more of a,…where a Black person's more, “they were just lazy and they're just drug addicts.” Okay. So, you know, I've seen it with my own eyes, so.
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Mental Barriers: Stigma
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My vantage point is that when individuals, again, of, of a certain ethnicity are stopped and they're perceived as, as violent or, uh, non-compliant.
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Mental Barriers: Stigma
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What I mean…unfortunately, you know, we, we still have that stigma of the police and it's just, it's the true stigma. I mean, it's true, you know, um, shoot, first ask questions later. And that's a scary thing, especially for young Black men, you know?
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Mental Barriers: Stigma
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Interviewer: Do you think race plays a part? Subject: Definitely. I think it has to do with, yeah…I think it has to do with where they’re being dispatched to. Like the areas, the communities. Cause when you, when you hear of a certain area, you know what type of people are there.
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Mental Barriers: Mistrust
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You know, the Black community, that's med for one…that's medicine, real medicine from the cops giving it to [them]. The ambulance people are trying to give it to [them] and they don't even want it. Which is why I feel like one of the reasons…I feel like there's such a struggle with it is because they don't trust it.
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Mental Barriers: Mistrust
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Most, most medication was developed by the White community as far back as you can think. And then it has been used in history to poison the Black community before. And so why would they trust something coming from the White community to help? Because in the past, help has not truly been offered.
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Mental Barriers: Mistrust
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Subject:...the [affluent] communities, they're more friendly, they're more willing to talk to you. They're more willing to gain knowledge then our Black communities are. Interviewer: So you think we're, um, Subject: Stuck up. Interviewer: We're, we're not…you think we're stuck up? Subject: Okay. [We’re] stuck up. Interviewer: Okay. Why are we stuck up? What causes that? Subject: The way we've come up, our lifestyle, the things we've seen, the families we grew up with, us trying to build these walls from our childhood. Like, not knowing who to trust and who not to. It just makes us nonchalant and stuck up.
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Mental Barriers: Mistrust
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So, yes. That's the only thing is, you know, as, as a race we've grown to be weary of stuff that's offered to us. It's always a catch. So, it is just about getting to the right people.
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Mental Barriers: Fear
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Interviewer: What proportion of the residents in your community do you think would be, uh, fearful of carrying naloxone if they think the police might…? Subject: I think 80, like 80%. And I'm like you, that the Black community don't know, um, a lot and probably gets the information, you know, the, at the end of the stick.
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Mental Barriers: Fear
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I don't believe that, um, that they’re so much [afraid] of being arrested, like for the possession of drugs. It's a bigger problem. And television and what's going on around the world, um, has affected how people look at the police. So probably everybody is fearing < laugh>, you know, for [their] life if they get stopped. [Because] it's so much going on in the world, you know what I'm saying? Which probably ain't even got to do with no drugs. It's kind of the, the stigma behind, um, your color, you know?
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Mental Barriers: Fear
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I do see just being a Black there is, because a White person would typically be more comfortable with calling the police than a Black person would. And that's just been like that since before this was even the issue. So, um, you know, um, yeah. So, I do believe that it's more so the fear that keeps us from calling, making that first call. You know what I mean? [Because] it can go left. If you call the police, you end up getting a person in trouble [when you call] for help.
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